Legislature(2013 - 2014)SENATE FINANCE 532

02/12/2014 09:00 AM Senate FINANCE


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09:06:42 AM SB119
09:07:00 AM Presentation by Alaska Energy Authority: Aea Renewable Energy Grant Program
10:20:15 AM Adjourn
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Sara Fisher-Goad, Executive Director
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Heard & Held
                 SENATE FINANCE COMMITTEE                                                                                       
                     February 12, 2014                                                                                          
                         9:05 a.m.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:05:15 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CALL TO ORDER                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer called the Senate Finance Committee meeting                                                                      
to order at 9:05 a.m.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Senator Pete Kelly, Co-Chair                                                                                                    
Senator Kevin Meyer, Co-Chair                                                                                                   
Senator Anna Fairclough, Vice-Chair                                                                                             
Senator Click Bishop                                                                                                            
Senator Mike Dunleavy                                                                                                           
Senator Lyman Hoffman                                                                                                           
Senator Donny Olson                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
None                                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
ALSO PRESENT                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Sarah   Fisher-Goad,   Executive  Director,   Alaska   Energy                                                                   
Authority,  Department of  Commerce,  Community and  Economic                                                                   
Development;  Sean  Skaling,   Deputy  Director,  Alternative                                                                   
Energy  and  Energy  Efficiency,   Alaska  Energy  Authority,                                                                   
Department of Commerce, Community and Economic Development.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SUMMARY                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
SB 119    BUDGET: CAPITAL                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
          SB 119 was HEARD and HELD in committee for                                                                            
          further consideration.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
PRESENTATION by ALASKA ENERGY AUTHORITY:  AEA RENEWABLE                                                                         
ENERGY GRANT PROGRAM                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
SENATE BILL NO. 119                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     "An Act making appropriations, including capital                                                                           
     appropriations   and   other    appropriations;   making                                                                   
     appropriations to capitalize funds."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
9:06:42 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
^PRESENTATION  by ALASKA  ENERGY  AUTHORITY:   AEA  RENEWABLE                                                                 
ENERGY GRANT PROGRAM                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
9:07:00 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SARAH   FISHER-GOAD,   EXECUTIVE  DIRECTOR,   ALASKA   ENERGY                                                                   
AUTHORITY,  DEPARTMENT OF  COMMERCE,  COMMUNITY AND  ECONOMIC                                                                   
DEVELOPMENT, introduced herself.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
SEAN  SKALING,   DEPUTY  DIRECTOR,  ALTERNATIVE   ENERGY  AND                                                                   
ENERGY  EFFICIENCY, ALASKA  ENERGY  AUTHORITY, DEPARTMENT  OF                                                                   
COMMERCE,  COMMUNITY  AND  ECONOMIC  DEVELOPMENT,  introduced                                                                   
himself.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Fisher-Goad  remarked that there was a  presentation from                                                                   
the previous  legislative session,  which was an  overview of                                                                   
a variety  of Alaska Energy  Authority (AEA) issues,  but did                                                                   
not  include   the  Renewable   Energy  Fund  programs.   She                                                                   
explained  that the  Renewable Energy  Fund program  recently                                                                   
completed its  seventh round.  She stated that  the Renewable                                                                   
Energy  Fund program  was a  challenging program  for AEA  to                                                                   
manage,  but was a  great legislative  initiative to  provide                                                                   
funding to  diversify the energy  portfolio. She  stated that                                                                   
there   was  a   Renewable  Energy   Fund  program   advisory                                                                   
committee  that   consisted  of   public  members   and  four                                                                   
legislators. She  explained that the makeup of  the board had                                                                   
recently  changed after  the board was  extended for  another                                                                   
ten years. She  stated that the legislator  representation on                                                                   
the board increased by two senators.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman requested  a brief synopsis  of the  funding                                                                   
history  for  the  first  seven years  of  the  program.  Ms.                                                                   
Fisher-Goad  responded that  the  presentation would  include                                                                   
that  information. She  announced  that round  1  was a  $100                                                                   
million appropriation;  round 2 was $25.013 million;  round 3                                                                   
was $25  million; round 4 was  a $36.6 million,  but included                                                                   
some prior  projects, so only  $26 million was used;  round 5                                                                   
was $25.8  million; and round  6 was $25 million.  She stated                                                                   
that the current  governor's request for round 7  was for $20                                                                   
million.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair   Meyer  surmised   that  the   total  funding   for                                                                   
Renewable Energy  Fund program was $237 million.  Ms. Fisher-                                                                   
Goad responded in the affirmative.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer wondered  if the goal of the fund  was to have                                                                   
a  total  of  $250  million  in  the  fund.  Senator  Hoffman                                                                   
responded  that it was  the guideline,  but the governor  had                                                                   
chosen to not fund it at that level.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:11:22 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  felt that if  there was a reappropriation  of                                                                   
the money,  then AEA was  not able to  use the money  for its                                                                   
intention. He  wondered if that  summation was  accurate. Ms.                                                                   
Fisher-Goad responded  that the first couple  of rounds faced                                                                   
circumstances  where a  grantee may decide  that the  project                                                                   
should  not  be  pursued.  She pointed  the  committee  to  a                                                                   
document titled,  "Renewable Energy  Fund, Status  Report and                                                                   
Round VII  Recommendations" (copy  on file). She  stated that                                                                   
the  report outlined,  by region,  the amount  of money  that                                                                   
was  made  available  for  a   grant;  the  amount  that  was                                                                   
expended; and the amount that remained available.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer wondered  if  the $10  million  appropriation                                                                   
only   occurred  once.   Ms.  Fisher-Goad   replied  in   the                                                                   
affirmative.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough   looked  at  page  4,   under  Grants                                                                   
Unissued  to Date,  and  she wondered  if  there  was a  math                                                                   
error. Mr. Skaling  replied that he was aware  of that error,                                                                   
and stated  that the proper number  of Grants Issued  to Date                                                                   
was $19 million and not $29 million.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Skaling   discussed   the    PowerPoint   presentation;                                                                   
"Renewable  Energy Fund, Status  Report and  Recommendations"                                                                   
(copy on  file). He felt that  the program was  achieving its                                                                   
goals and helping Alaskans.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skaling  looked  at slide  2,  "Renewable  Energy  Grant                                                                   
Fund."                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     Diversifies Alaska's energy portfolio and supports                                                                         
     State renewable goals                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Displaces volatile-priced fossil fuels                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Provides a vetting mechanism for energy projects                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Capitalizes on local energy resources                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Expands Alaska's renewable energy knowledge base                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Provides local employment                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Benefits businesses not eligible for PCE                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
9:16:26 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skaling highlighted  slide 3, "Grant and  Funding Summary                                                                   
as of 02/06/14."  He stated that the chart  was an assessment                                                                   
of rounds 1  through 6; how many applications  were received;                                                                   
how  many  of  those  applications   were  funded  and  their                                                                   
status; and the  dollar amounts. He remarked  that there were                                                                   
approximately  250  applications  that  had been  funded.  He                                                                   
remarked that  the chart  could also be  found in  the status                                                                   
report.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skaling  discussed  slide   4,  "Renewable  Energy  Fund                                                                   
Projects,  Rounds   I-VI."  He   explained  that   the  slide                                                                   
displayed  a map of  all the  projects across  the state.  He                                                                   
pointed  out   the  diversity   of  the  projects.   The  map                                                                   
represented  projects that  were both  in reconnaissance  and                                                                   
feasibility  phases; and  design  and construction.  He  felt                                                                   
the slide  showcased a  good statewide  balance of  projects.                                                                   
He noted that Alaska had great renewable energy resources.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skaling highlighted  slide  5, "Renewable  Energy  Fund:                                                                   
Annual Fuel  Savings." He explained  that the  chart referred                                                                   
to the  36 projects  that were  operational and saving  fuel.                                                                   
The chart  showed the  fuel savings  converted into  millions                                                                   
of gallons  of diesel saved. He  remarked that the  first few                                                                   
years of  the program required  work related  to feasibility,                                                                   
design,  construction, and  operation. The  chart required  a                                                                   
year  of  data  in  order  to  make  the  determinations.  He                                                                   
pointed  out  that  there  was  a  current  savings  of  12.4                                                                   
billion gallons of  diesel per year. He stressed  that it was                                                                   
an exponential increase in savings.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skaling  discussed  slide  6,  "Renewable  Energy  Fund:                                                                   
Project  Performance." He  stated that  the chart could  also                                                                   
be  found  in  the status  report.  The  chart  outlined  the                                                                   
operational projects  with the  coordinating data  project by                                                                   
project:  how much heat  it generated;  how much  electricity                                                                   
it  generated;  the  equivalent  fuel  and  diesel;  and  the                                                                   
dollars  equivalent.  He  explained  that  the  blue  section                                                                   
referred  to electric-only  projects  and  the green  section                                                                   
was electric and  heat projects. Both of those  projects were                                                                   
considered "wind  projects." The  bottom section  referred to                                                                   
heat-only projects.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skaling  displayed  slide  7,  "Renewable  Energy  Fund:                                                                   
Value Generated."  He explained that the slide  looked at the                                                                   
net  present  value capital  costs  and  benefits  of all  of                                                                   
those 36 current projects.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     For first 36 projects in operation                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
     Fund Investment of $82 million                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Total NPV cost of $290 million                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     NPV Benefits: $840 million                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skaling  looked  at  slide  8,  "Appropriated  Renewable                                                                   
Energy Fund Grants  Rounds I - VI." He stated  that the slide                                                                   
outlines all appropriations  split up by region  and resource                                                                   
type. He  pointed out  that hydro  and wind  take up  most of                                                                   
the pie chart.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skaling discussed slide 9, "Grant Completion Schedule."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
    Grants issued in phases to ensure quality projects                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     This year, completed construction grants will exceed                                                                       
     completed feasibility grants                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Large increases in completed construction                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
9:21:57 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skaling   highlighted  slide  10,   "Project  Highlight:                                                                   
Pelican Hydro."                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     REF Funding: $1.95 million                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     Total Cost: $5.8 million                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     948,522 kWh/year                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     70,000 gallons of diesel saved                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     $312,000 savings first year                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skaling looked  at  slide  11, "Pelican  Hydro,  Before,                                                                   
During and After."  He explained that the top  left photo was                                                                   
of  the  wood  stave  and  blue   tarp  penstock  before  the                                                                   
project.  The bottom  left photo  was an aerial  view  of the                                                                   
site  during construction.  The  bottom right  photo was  the                                                                   
AEA project manager with the new surge tank.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Skaling  discussed slide 12, "Community  Highlight: Delta                                                                   
Junction."                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Delta Junction School Biomass                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
          Completed in September 2011                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          High-efficiency, low-emissions wood chip biomass                                                                      
          heating system                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
          Wood chips come from Dry Creek Saw Mill waste                                                                         
          product                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
          Funding $2 million grant/$2.8 million total                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
          Simple Pay Back: 13 years for Renewable Energy                                                                        
          funds, 19 years on total cost                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          Successes:                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
               During the first winter, saved $153,000 and                                                                      
               53,000 gallons in heating                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
               Allowed the school to save 2 teacher                                                                             
               positions, reopen music program and remodel                                                                      
               the school kitchen                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
               Potential to add additional facilities                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
               Easy maintenance                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  wondered how  much more cost  remained                                                                   
for the  completion of  the projects  that were currently  in                                                                   
the queue.  Mr. Skaling  responded  that he  was not able  to                                                                   
answer  that  question.  He furthered  that  the  costs  were                                                                   
split  up by  feasibility and  design. He  stressed that  not                                                                   
every  proposed project  will advance  to actual  development                                                                   
and  construction.  He  stressed  that it  was  difficult  to                                                                   
determine   the  overall   cost,   without  the   feasibility                                                                   
studies.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  noted that the  renewable energy  projects in                                                                   
rural Alaska  had reduced their  electrical cost.  He queried                                                                   
the  impact of  the renewable  energy projects  on the  Power                                                                   
Cost  Equalization (PCE)  fund.  Mr. Skaling  responded  that                                                                   
the projects  provided  significant savings  to the  PCE fund                                                                   
and the  schools. He  stressed that  the communities  and the                                                                   
benefits  were   also  benefitting.  He  agreed   to  provide                                                                   
further information.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
9:26:38 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skaling  discussed  slide 14,  "Renewable  Energy  Fund:                                                                   
Round VII."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Technical and economic analysis                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     Priority given to regions with high energy costs                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Capital Budget request includes $20 million                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Can fund 26 projects: 17 heating and 9 electric or                                                                         
     other projects                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
     Advisory committee recommended partial funding for 2                                                                       
     large hydro projects to fund 5 additional heating                                                                          
     projects and 1 regional priority                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Requested fully fund hydro if additional funds                                                                             
     available                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.   Skaling  highlighted   slide   15,   "Round  VII   Heat                                                                   
Applications."   He  stated   that  the   map  depicted   the                                                                   
recommended  proposed  projects  that  were outlined  in  the                                                                   
status report.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skaling   discussed  slide   16,  "Round  VII   Standard                                                                   
Applications."  He explained that  the map pinpointed  all of                                                                   
the recommended  heat applications.  He stated that  the dark                                                                   
points with  dark numbering  were the  projects that  were in                                                                   
the top $20  million. The other points were  recommended, but                                                                   
were not in the top $20 million.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skaling  looked  at slide  17,  "Renewable  Energy  Fund                                                                   
Round  VII: Recommended  Heat Applications."  He stated  that                                                                   
the graphs referred to the standard electric projects.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
Mr.  Skaling  displayed  slide  18,  "Renewable  Energy  Fund                                                                   
Found VII:  Electrical Applications  Recommended."  He stated                                                                   
that the  charts displayed the  recommended funding  by type,                                                                   
which could be seen by top tier versus all other projects.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
9:31:20 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair Fairclough  looked at  slide 17, and  noticed that                                                                   
two  projects   fell  below   for  additional  request.   She                                                                   
announced that she  was the dissenting vote  at the Renewable                                                                   
Energy Meeting  for not  taking the staff's  recommendations.                                                                   
She  asked  for  more  detail  regarding  that  process.  She                                                                   
stressed that  it was the first  time that the  committee did                                                                   
not adopt the  staff's recommendation. Mr.  Skaling responded                                                                   
that   the  Renewable   Energy   Fund  Advisory   Committee's                                                                   
significant  role at  that meeting  was typically  to do  the                                                                   
"regional spreading."  He explained that the  staff typically                                                                   
presented  a  list  of  projects,  in  a  ranked  order,  and                                                                   
identified  through  the regional  spreading  formula.  Those                                                                   
projects  were then  for consideration  of  the committee  to                                                                   
possibly advance  into the funding level. He  stated that the                                                                   
committee  also  recommended   partially  funding  two  hydro                                                                   
projects, which  were listed on lines  15 and 16 in  order to                                                                   
fund one  of the regional  funding priorities within  the $20                                                                   
million; and an additional 5 heat projects.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough remarked  that the committee  reviewed                                                                   
priorities  for Alaska.  She  felt that  there  was an  issue                                                                   
with the difficulty  of financing in the current  market. She                                                                   
remarked  that  there  was  a  process  to  determination  of                                                                   
fairness  for everyone,  and  stressed  that electrical  cost                                                                   
was  much different  than heating  cost. She  felt that  heat                                                                   
should have  a priority  over electricity.  She wondered  how                                                                   
much  the state  was  committing in  Round  VII. Mr.  Skaling                                                                   
replied that  the top project  always ended in  construction.                                                                   
He explained that there was one feasibility study.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:36:41 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough stressed  that she  wanted to  support                                                                   
all the  projects,  but the issue  was whether  or not  those                                                                   
projects  could  be finished  based  on the  state's  current                                                                   
cash  flow.  She stated  that  she  had  pointed out  at  the                                                                   
advisory board meeting  that they should examine  whether the                                                                   
design of the projects should be currently funded.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
Senator Hoffman  looked at slide  7, and felt that  the slide                                                                   
represented what  the state had invested and  the net present                                                                   
value  benefits.  He  stressed  that  Alaska  should  not  be                                                                   
cutting back, but  rather focus on the intention  of the law.                                                                   
He felt that  the funding needed to go beyond  the governor's                                                                   
recommendations.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  wondered if  the goal was  $50 million  or 50                                                                   
percent  of  electricity  should  be  renewable  energy.  Mr.                                                                   
Skaling  responded that  the goal  was  50 percent  renewable                                                                   
electricity by 2025.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  felt  that  the   goal  was  probably  going                                                                   
slowly, because of the work on the proposed gas line.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
9:42:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson wondered  how often the committee  rejected the                                                                   
recommendations  of  the staff,  and  how the  projects  were                                                                   
ranked.  Ms.  Fisher-Goad  responded   that  there  were  two                                                                   
separate lists  presented for  the current year:  heating and                                                                   
electricity.  She  explained  that  there  had  been  a  long                                                                   
discussion with AEA  and the committee to focus  on heat, and                                                                   
provide  technical  assistance   to  applicants.  She  stated                                                                   
that, in  order for staff  to fulfill the recommendation  for                                                                   
regional  spreading,  there  were   recommended  projects  to                                                                   
promote the regional  spreading. She stressed  that there was                                                                   
recent  difficulty in  the recent  year, because  of the  two                                                                   
separate lists.  She stated that the committee  recommended a                                                                   
bigger  heating  list,  by taking  a  portion  from  electric                                                                   
projects.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  remarked that the  governor had  advocated for                                                                   
various  accessibility  to  resources.   He  noted  that  the                                                                   
Kosmos  Hydroelectric   Dam  project  was  not   funded.  Mr.                                                                   
Skaling  replied  that there  was  a technical  and  economic                                                                   
viability  study of the  project, and  it was not  determined                                                                   
to be technically or economically viable.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson wondered  if the project should  not be funded.                                                                   
Mr.  Skaling replied  that AEA  was focused  on the  projects                                                                   
that could  achieve the  goal of  affordable energy,  so that                                                                   
project did not fall into that feasibility goal.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
9:47:08 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop wondered  if AEA  had a plan  to analyze  the                                                                   
high electric costs  in the various communities.  Ms. Fisher-                                                                   
Goad  replied  that the  application  process  was  remaining                                                                   
open for  all electric and  heat projects. She  stressed that                                                                   
round 7  separated the  projects between  heat and  electric.                                                                   
She remarked  that an electric  project could still  file the                                                                   
application to  be ranked through  the vetting  projects. She                                                                   
stressed   that  there   was  no   discounting  of   electric                                                                   
projects,  but  it was  an  opportunity  to look  at  heating                                                                   
through a more isolated ranking process.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop looked  at statewide  recommendation  project                                                                   
funding, and  looked at line 22.  He surmised that  Minto was                                                                   
in the  queue for  the current year.  Mr. Skaling  replied in                                                                   
the affirmative.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Bishop announced  that  the project  would be  fully                                                                   
funded. Mr. Skaling agreed.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dunleavy  wondered if  coal was a viable  possibility                                                                   
for state  projects. Ms. Fisher-Goad  responded that  UAF was                                                                   
working to replace  its coal-powered combined  heat and power                                                                   
plant with  another coal plant.  She stressed that  there was                                                                   
still a use  for coal, and the Renewable Energy  Fund program                                                                   
did not have an  issue with coal. She understood  that it was                                                                   
a viable and  reliable resource for electricity.  She pointed                                                                   
out that  the Renewable  Energy Fund program  was not  on the                                                                   
eligible fuel source for the Renewable Energy Fund program.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dunleavy  wondered  if   AEA  had  a  mechanism  for                                                                   
discussions  regarding  coal  use.  Ms.  Fisher-Goad  replied                                                                   
that she  would be  happy to discuss  with a community  about                                                                   
the  possibility of  a coal  plant. She  remarked that  there                                                                   
was a technical analysis that was required.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
9:52:28 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Dunleavy wondered  if there  was a  mechanism for  a                                                                   
community to  discuss with AEA  about the possibility  of gas                                                                   
exploration.  Ms.  Fisher-Goad   replied  that  there  was  a                                                                   
provision in  the Renewable Energy  Fund that  provided small                                                                   
gas to be used in the community.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  queried the status  of the Healy  Coal Plant.                                                                   
Ms. Fisher-Goad  responded that  AIDEA and Golden  Valley had                                                                   
completed  the   sale,  but  deferred   to  AIDEA   for  more                                                                   
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Kelly   stated  that  the  Healy  Coal   Plant  was                                                                   
currently undergoing testing.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  wondered if  hydro was considered  "renewable                                                                   
energy." Ms. Fisher-Goad replied in the affirmative.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer asked if  hydro was  considered renewable  at                                                                   
the federal level.  Ms. Fisher-Goad replied that  the federal                                                                   
Department  of Energy  did  not  consider hydro  a  renewable                                                                   
resource.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Kelly  felt that the  non-renewable energy  was just                                                                   
as  important  to  Alaskans,  if  not  more  important,  than                                                                   
renewable energy.  He did  not care what  kind of  energy was                                                                   
used to provide heat and electricity to the state.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
9:57:37 AM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Hoffman stressed  that  the people  of rural  Alaska                                                                   
want   affordable  energy.   He  remarked   that  there   was                                                                   
potential in the Kuskokwim for heat through using peat.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  wondered if there  was a focus on  building a                                                                   
gas line  in Donlin Creek.  Senator Hoffman replied  that the                                                                   
gasline  was their  primary interest.  He  remarked that  the                                                                   
cost was several billion dollars.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Vice-Chair  Fairclough stressed  that  prioritizing heat  was                                                                   
not consistent  with policy.  She felt  that there  needed to                                                                   
be a policy  change, in order  for the Renewable  Energy Fund                                                                   
program to prioritize heat.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Senator Dunleavy  remarked that  there should  be a  focus on                                                                   
getting the cheapest energy to communities.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
10:03:13 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  wondered if  there  could be  a  spreadsheet                                                                   
that shows  funding with  each round.  Mr. Skaling  agreed to                                                                   
provide that information.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer asked  if $4 million  for  a project was  for                                                                   
each phase of  a project. Ms. Fisher-Goad replied  that there                                                                   
were two  tiers of maximum  amount, which was  cumulative per                                                                   
project through  the entire  phases. She  stated that  it was                                                                   
originally $4 million  in high cost areas, and  $2 million in                                                                   
low cost areas.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer  wondered if  there was  a possibility  to pay                                                                   
$32 million for  a project. Ms. Fisher-Goad  replied that the                                                                   
$8 million as  a cumulative cost. Mr. Skaling  furthered that                                                                   
it  was  $8  million  or  $4   million  for  the  design  and                                                                   
construction  phase; and  the  reconnaissance or  feasibility                                                                   
could be  up to 20 percent  of the total anticipated  project                                                                   
cost.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
Ms. Fisher-Goad stressed  that the focus of  the day's agenda                                                                   
was  the Renewable  Energy Fund  program.  She remarked  that                                                                   
AEA  had various  programs that  did not  relate directly  to                                                                   
Renewable  Energy Fund  program.  She stressed  that AEA  was                                                                   
focused on affordable energy.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer  wondered  were  the  Renewable  Energy  Fund                                                                   
program  applications  received  their matching  grants.  Ms.                                                                   
Fisher-Goad responded  that there  was a waiting  system, but                                                                   
a match was not necessarily required.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
10:08:34 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Bishop  wondered if  there were assets  in AEA  to do                                                                   
her job.  He also  asked what  she would  do differently,  if                                                                   
she were "king for a day."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair Meyer wondered  if the relationship  between AEA and                                                                   
AIDEA  was effective.  Ms. Fisher-Goad  responded that  AIDEA                                                                   
and AEA  had many  shared resources.  She  felt that the  two                                                                   
programs worked very well together.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Co-Chair  Meyer asked  for an  update on  Susitna Watana  dam                                                                   
project.   Ms. Fisher-Goad  replied that  there is  a meeting                                                                   
in the  future where  she will discuss  the progress  of that                                                                   
project. She  stated that the  dam was a significant  part of                                                                   
the goal of the Renewable Energy Fund program.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
10:14:30 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator Olson  queried how often  a project like  the Susitna                                                                   
Watana  dam  would be  proposed.  Ms.  Fisher-Goad  responded                                                                   
that the  former Alaska Power  Authority had the  funding for                                                                   
the  project  in  the 1980s.  She  stated  that  the  current                                                                   
project was  different than what  was outlined in  the 1980s.                                                                   
She  stated  that   the  current  project  had   a  different                                                                   
portfolio,  and stressed  that it  was a  project that  could                                                                   
have a significant benefit to the population.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson shared that  some news  outlets had  expressed                                                                   
that the  project will never  be completed. He  stressed that                                                                   
there  were many  issues related  to land  use regarding  the                                                                   
development of  the project.  Ms. Fisher-Goad responded  that                                                                   
conversations  with the  village corporations  had been  very                                                                   
positive.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Senator  Olson shared  that some  Native Corporations  feared                                                                   
that  the state  would enact  imminent domain  to obtain  the                                                                   
lands  and less-than-market  value.  Ms. Fisher-Goad  replied                                                                   
that AEA  had participated in  conversations with  the Native                                                                   
Corporations  with  respect to  the  use  of the  lands.  She                                                                   
stressed  that she  was very  anxious to  discuss the  longer                                                                   
term issues, in order to begin development on the project.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SB  119  was   HEARD  and  HELD  in  committee   for  further                                                                   
consideration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
10:20:15 AM                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
The meeting was adjourned at 10:20 a.m.                                                                                         

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
021214 AEA Capital Request REF PerformanceTable_11x17.pdf SFIN 2/12/2014 9:00:00 AM
SB 119
021214 AEA REFStatusReport2014Final_forprinting11x17.pdf SFIN 2/12/2014 9:00:00 AM
SB 119
021214 AEA REFundR7StatewideRanked11x17.pdf SFIN 2/12/2014 9:00:00 AM
SB 119
021214 AEA Senate Finance REF 2 12 14.pdf SFIN 2/12/2014 9:00:00 AM
SB 119
021214 AEA REFStatusReport2014Final_forprinting11x17.pdf SFIN 2/12/2014 9:00:00 AM
SB 119